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	<title>Comments on: Realtors spend too much time discrediting Lawrence Yun</title>
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		<title>By: Farewell to 2007 Housing Market in Frederick &#124; Focus On Frederick.com</title>
		<link>http://www.realcentralva.com/2007/12/11/realtors-spend-too-much-time-discrediting-lawrence-yun/comment-page-1/#comment-11513</link>
		<dc:creator>Farewell to 2007 Housing Market in Frederick &#124; Focus On Frederick.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] window to see if it&#8217;s raining.  Real estate will  always be local&#8230;  (Kinda like what Jim said above.)  One of the reasons blogging has become so popular, local REALTOR®, local information and not a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] window to see if it&#8217;s raining.  Real estate will  always be local&#8230;  (Kinda like what Jim said above.)  One of the reasons blogging has become so popular, local REALTOR®, local information and not a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Duncan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave -

Thanks for the comment. We all have biases, but the acknowledgment of those biases is key. 

Again, my beef is more with the office itself, and not at all with the person. I have no doubt about his qualifications.

The consistent overly-rosy predictions do more harm than good, in my biased opinion. :)

I wish more people would read the NAR&#039;s predictions as well as bubble blogs, Calculated Risk, WSJ, etc., think and analyze critically and then come to their own conclusions. 

I also wish that more people would vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave -</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment. We all have biases, but the acknowledgment of those biases is key. </p>
<p>Again, my beef is more with the office itself, and not at all with the person. I have no doubt about his qualifications.</p>
<p>The consistent overly-rosy predictions do more harm than good, in my biased opinion. <img src='http://realcentralva.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I wish more people would read the NAR&#8217;s predictions as well as bubble blogs, Calculated Risk, WSJ, etc., think and analyze critically and then come to their own conclusions. </p>
<p>I also wish that more people would vote.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Phillips</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, Jim, Jim.  Please tell me you realize ALL media, reports, studies, etc. are bias.  The Wall Street Journal is probably the most anti-REALTOR bias source of information out there.  They want all money to flow away from housing and into the stock market - that is in their best interest.  If Yun is guilty of anything, it is trying to bring some balance (or maybe counter-balance) to the overly negative discussion being driven by the Journal.  

By the way, your blog is bias (as is mine), but I think we are both smart enough to digest ALL the facts and make up our own minds.  If you want to get upset about this type of thing, blast the average Joe who is not paying enough attention to see the bias in EVERY piece of information.  Blogs have helped expose and check the mis-information out there.  Yun&#039;s predictions may be overly rosey, but give me one &quot;fact&quot; he states that is not true?  Give the Yun hunt a rest.  Three months ago is was a mid-level data cruncher for NAR who was so bright that he rocketed to the top spot when given the opportunity.  He&#039;s not the problem.

And THAT is my bias opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, Jim, Jim.  Please tell me you realize ALL media, reports, studies, etc. are bias.  The Wall Street Journal is probably the most anti-REALTOR bias source of information out there.  They want all money to flow away from housing and into the stock market &#8211; that is in their best interest.  If Yun is guilty of anything, it is trying to bring some balance (or maybe counter-balance) to the overly negative discussion being driven by the Journal.  </p>
<p>By the way, your blog is bias (as is mine), but I think we are both smart enough to digest ALL the facts and make up our own minds.  If you want to get upset about this type of thing, blast the average Joe who is not paying enough attention to see the bias in EVERY piece of information.  Blogs have helped expose and check the mis-information out there.  Yun&#8217;s predictions may be overly rosey, but give me one &#8220;fact&#8221; he states that is not true?  Give the Yun hunt a rest.  Three months ago is was a mid-level data cruncher for NAR who was so bright that he rocketed to the top spot when given the opportunity.  He&#8217;s not the problem.</p>
<p>And THAT is my bias opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Lani Anglin-Rosales</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lani Anglin-Rosales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 01:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, for once I agree with Michael Cook!  Who cares?  NAR is a fact of life and too much breath is wasted on their antiquated practices.  It&#039;s like our grandparents telling us how to blog- they have no idea what they&#039;re talking about, but they&#039;re willing to dispense advice.  Let&#039;s all just smile and nod (and move on).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, for once I agree with Michael Cook!  Who cares?  NAR is a fact of life and too much breath is wasted on their antiquated practices.  It&#8217;s like our grandparents telling us how to blog- they have no idea what they&#8217;re talking about, but they&#8217;re willing to dispense advice.  Let&#8217;s all just smile and nod (and move on).</p>
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		<title>By: Julie Emery</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie Emery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post, Jim and I&#039;ve appreciated all the comments. You&#039;ve hit the problem right on in that I have to waste my time defending my own credibility by distancing myself from NAR. It&#039;s a trade association that often makes me proud and you&#039;re right to point out some of the issues they&#039;ve been on the right side of. But they hurt their credibility on other issues with their economic forecasts.

Scott has a point about Yun&#039;s brief tenure. And, while he&#039;s clearly got a more realistic approach than Lereah, that&#039;s not saying much! I think NAR&#039;s approach may have worked better ten years ago, but the consumer is more sophisticated now and spin almost always plays badly these days.

I think Jim&#039;s right about the need for NAR to stop making predictions. Any economist&#039;s predictions are more likely to be wrong than right given the complex data sets they&#039;re dealing with. The national picture is too complex for today&#039;s models to be much good at prediction. I&#039;d be reluctant even at a local level to go much beyond a quarter in any predictions.

Thanks for the great discussion!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post, Jim and I&#8217;ve appreciated all the comments. You&#8217;ve hit the problem right on in that I have to waste my time defending my own credibility by distancing myself from NAR. It&#8217;s a trade association that often makes me proud and you&#8217;re right to point out some of the issues they&#8217;ve been on the right side of. But they hurt their credibility on other issues with their economic forecasts.</p>
<p>Scott has a point about Yun&#8217;s brief tenure. And, while he&#8217;s clearly got a more realistic approach than Lereah, that&#8217;s not saying much! I think NAR&#8217;s approach may have worked better ten years ago, but the consumer is more sophisticated now and spin almost always plays badly these days.</p>
<p>I think Jim&#8217;s right about the need for NAR to stop making predictions. Any economist&#8217;s predictions are more likely to be wrong than right given the complex data sets they&#8217;re dealing with. The national picture is too complex for today&#8217;s models to be much good at prediction. I&#8217;d be reluctant even at a local level to go much beyond a quarter in any predictions.</p>
<p>Thanks for the great discussion!</p>
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		<title>By: Gerry Davidson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerry Davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve saved me some time here Jim as I was starting a post documenting the NAR headlines over the last 18 months and their eroneous market projections despite access to top notch data. Talk about &quot;head in the sand&quot; outlooks! Now Yun and the NAR just look stupid. I&#039;m hoping it&#039;s just appearances but I have real doubts.

The future and survival of the NAR depends on the MLS and traditional brokerage model. Listing information is definitely moving toward an open forum and as the traditional brokerage model slowly erodes, NAR slips further toward the clif edge. I smell fear.

Warren Buffet and Home Services, as well as all the other major players in the brokerage arena, are the self-professed members whose interests are at the heart of our NAR. As long as their interests are based in the status quo, then that is the position that the NAR will fight tooth and nail for. If those interests happen to filter benefit to the individual Realtor, then that is just a secondary benefit. 

Blogs have started the discussions on split commissions but it will not happen while these mega financial brokerage machines have their stakes at risk. The day Warren Buffet divests himself of Home Services is the day the wall will start to crumble from the chinks bloggers started.

That the NAR needs a new business model is about the kindest thing I can say. Their educational programs are so pitiful as to be embarrassing to admit to having one of their designations. It could be so much better!

Keep up the good worD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve saved me some time here Jim as I was starting a post documenting the NAR headlines over the last 18 months and their eroneous market projections despite access to top notch data. Talk about &#8220;head in the sand&#8221; outlooks! Now Yun and the NAR just look stupid. I&#8217;m hoping it&#8217;s just appearances but I have real doubts.</p>
<p>The future and survival of the NAR depends on the MLS and traditional brokerage model. Listing information is definitely moving toward an open forum and as the traditional brokerage model slowly erodes, NAR slips further toward the clif edge. I smell fear.</p>
<p>Warren Buffet and Home Services, as well as all the other major players in the brokerage arena, are the self-professed members whose interests are at the heart of our NAR. As long as their interests are based in the status quo, then that is the position that the NAR will fight tooth and nail for. If those interests happen to filter benefit to the individual Realtor, then that is just a secondary benefit. </p>
<p>Blogs have started the discussions on split commissions but it will not happen while these mega financial brokerage machines have their stakes at risk. The day Warren Buffet divests himself of Home Services is the day the wall will start to crumble from the chinks bloggers started.</p>
<p>That the NAR needs a new business model is about the kindest thing I can say. Their educational programs are so pitiful as to be embarrassing to admit to having one of their designations. It could be so much better!</p>
<p>Keep up the good worD.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Duncan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony and Scott - thanks so much for stopping by and for the comments. 

Tony - I agree with everything you say.

Scott - I wish that NAR would stop making predictions. Too many Realtors spend too much time building up credibility lost by the predictions that NAR makes. 

That NAR is finally acknowledging that all markets are local rather than &quot;the market is great!&quot; is almost comforting. 

As far as Lawrence Yun - he&#039;s in a no-win position, and I feel for him. His paycheck comes from the NAR, and their opinions are clearly biased - and more and more of consumers are aware of that bias. 

My aggravation is more with the lost credibility than with the unreasonable predictions.

Regarding the rants against the NAR - I agree with your frustration as well. The NAR is broken, but is fixable - that fix will come from the leadership within and from those who criticize without. There are too many good people within the machine, but the machine seems to have lost its pliability and adaptability. (That&#039;s why I do what I can when/where I can and encourage others to do the same)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony and Scott &#8211; thanks so much for stopping by and for the comments. </p>
<p>Tony &#8211; I agree with everything you say.</p>
<p>Scott &#8211; I wish that NAR would stop making predictions. Too many Realtors spend too much time building up credibility lost by the predictions that NAR makes. </p>
<p>That NAR is finally acknowledging that all markets are local rather than &#8220;the market is great!&#8221; is almost comforting. </p>
<p>As far as Lawrence Yun &#8211; he&#8217;s in a no-win position, and I feel for him. His paycheck comes from the NAR, and their opinions are clearly biased &#8211; and more and more of consumers are aware of that bias. </p>
<p>My aggravation is more with the lost credibility than with the unreasonable predictions.</p>
<p>Regarding the rants against the NAR &#8211; I agree with your frustration as well. The NAR is broken, but is fixable &#8211; that fix will come from the leadership within and from those who criticize without. There are too many good people within the machine, but the machine seems to have lost its pliability and adaptability. (That&#8217;s why I do what I can when/where I can and encourage others to do the same)</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, NAR is damned if they do and damned if they don&#039;t.  There is an expectation by you and those other 1.3 million members and certainly by the media and Wall Street that NAR provide some analysis of home sales data, but for the very reason you suggest -- real estate markets are inherently local, subject to fluctuations and aberrations difficult to predict from Washington DC -- NAR&#039;s numbers are a moving a target. They&#039;ll always be a moving target. It&#039;s the local analysis that you and a few others do well that gives them context.  

Lawrence Yun is a good guy. Cut him a break. He&#039;s been in the top position for a whopping three months. He&#039;s already shown that he&#039;s not one of those &quot;It&#039;s-always-a-good-time-to-buy&quot; boosters.  If you&#039;ll look at his analysis of market conditions, I think you&#039;ll find it as solid as anyone else&#039;s from a macro point of view.  Unless of course, you&#039;re more inclined to believe the partial and incomplete analysis that we continue to see in the media. 

And by the way...I give you credit for providing &#039; cogent, pertinent analysis&quot; of your local market.  I enjoy your blog and your perspective.  But I would note that too many other bloggers seem to be caught up in the Limbaugh-style group rant against NAR and aren&#039;t really adding much to the dialogue except vitriole and self-righteous nonsense.  In the blogosphere, I guess everyone can be an expert...for 15 minutes, anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, NAR is damned if they do and damned if they don&#8217;t.  There is an expectation by you and those other 1.3 million members and certainly by the media and Wall Street that NAR provide some analysis of home sales data, but for the very reason you suggest &#8212; real estate markets are inherently local, subject to fluctuations and aberrations difficult to predict from Washington DC &#8212; NAR&#8217;s numbers are a moving a target. They&#8217;ll always be a moving target. It&#8217;s the local analysis that you and a few others do well that gives them context.  </p>
<p>Lawrence Yun is a good guy. Cut him a break. He&#8217;s been in the top position for a whopping three months. He&#8217;s already shown that he&#8217;s not one of those &#8220;It&#8217;s-always-a-good-time-to-buy&#8221; boosters.  If you&#8217;ll look at his analysis of market conditions, I think you&#8217;ll find it as solid as anyone else&#8217;s from a macro point of view.  Unless of course, you&#8217;re more inclined to believe the partial and incomplete analysis that we continue to see in the media. </p>
<p>And by the way&#8230;I give you credit for providing &#8216; cogent, pertinent analysis&#8221; of your local market.  I enjoy your blog and your perspective.  But I would note that too many other bloggers seem to be caught up in the Limbaugh-style group rant against NAR and aren&#8217;t really adding much to the dialogue except vitriole and self-righteous nonsense.  In the blogosphere, I guess everyone can be an expert&#8230;for 15 minutes, anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Arko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Arko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Upon first reading your headline, I thought you were critical of realtors but after reading the article I figured it out.  I have stopped reading any economic forecasts that come out of NAR due to their obvious bias and lack of objectivity.  Fortunately I have a background in economics and statistics and can formulate a more realistic forecast of the current trends.  But I believe the NAR misinformation regarding the future of the industry is doing a disservice to a lot of realtors.  I don&#039;t think they see it that way though.  I believe they fear a loss of members would result from a realistic forecast during this down market.  And less members means less money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Upon first reading your headline, I thought you were critical of realtors but after reading the article I figured it out.  I have stopped reading any economic forecasts that come out of NAR due to their obvious bias and lack of objectivity.  Fortunately I have a background in economics and statistics and can formulate a more realistic forecast of the current trends.  But I believe the NAR misinformation regarding the future of the industry is doing a disservice to a lot of realtors.  I don&#8217;t think they see it that way though.  I believe they fear a loss of members would result from a realistic forecast during this down market.  And less members means less money.</p>
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