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	<title>Comments on: Charlottesville and Albemarle Sold properties by price range</title>
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		<title>By: Jim Duncan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darn it. Fixed. Thanks, Andy.</description>
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		<title>By: Andy K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 13:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jim 

Your 2 charts appear to be identical.....is that correct?</description>
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<p>Your 2 charts appear to be identical&#8230;..is that correct?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Duncan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;That is, I believe a histogram of all properties, with much smaller spacing (say, 10k increments) would show where the big clusters are - and clusters could be more reasonably grouped.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I would *love* to be able to do this, but putting these reports together - as they are - is so time-consuming. 


&lt;blockquote&gt;Moreover, I would expect part of the picture to get lost here - as I wonder how many homes which sold in the 450k range two years ago would now sell for 350k (assuming the buyer isn’t underwater and can actually sell). &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Very valid point, and I&#039;m wondering how to sort through the data for that. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;I would be interested in your take on REOs being marketed through RE agents. That is a back-handed way of putting foreclosures into the MLS&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In time, in time ...  :)

Thank you as always for your time, comment and insight. I am truly appreciative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>That is, I believe a histogram of all properties, with much smaller spacing (say, 10k increments) would show where the big clusters are &#8211; and clusters could be more reasonably grouped.</p></blockquote>
<p>I would *love* to be able to do this, but putting these reports together &#8211; as they are &#8211; is so time-consuming. </p>
<blockquote><p>Moreover, I would expect part of the picture to get lost here &#8211; as I wonder how many homes which sold in the 450k range two years ago would now sell for 350k (assuming the buyer isn’t underwater and can actually sell). </p></blockquote>
<p>Very valid point, and I&#8217;m wondering how to sort through the data for that. </p>
<blockquote><p>I would be interested in your take on REOs being marketed through RE agents. That is a back-handed way of putting foreclosures into the MLS</p></blockquote>
<p>In time, in time &#8230;  <img src='http://realcentralva.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thank you as always for your time, comment and insight. I am truly appreciative.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim - nice information, as always.  One comment:

This captures what the volumes are like in each bracket, but doesn&#039;t account for bracket mobility - that is, it would be nice to get a picture, for our MSA, of same-home sales (ala Case-Shiller).

The two &#039;big buckets&#039; you&#039;ve got - 200-400k and &gt;400, seem...not meaningfully distinct in our market.  That is, I believe a histogram of all properties, with much smaller spacing (say, 10k increments) would show where the big clusters are - and clusters could be more reasonably grouped.

I don&#039;t, obviously, have the same access to the raw data you have, but I suspect that there&#039;s much more of cluster of like properties in the 300-600k range, than below 300k or 750 and above.

Moreover, I would expect part of the picture to get lost here - as I wonder how many homes which sold in the 450k range two years ago would now sell for 350k (assuming the buyer isn&#039;t underwater and can actually sell).  

Except for the top bracket, I&#039;d guess your breakout has the effect of smoothing the data and reflecting the overall market numbers.  The three groupings which have some shape at all suggest this, with the notable artifacts for 1Q &#039;06 - a plunge in cheaper properties and a spike in the more expensive ones - I think a same-house analysis would demonstrate this is caused by same house price inflation and later deflation.

NB - I&#039;ve commented on the foreclosure situation, using my Trustee&#039;s-Sales-from-the-newspaper and spreadsheet method.  I don&#039;t see the same spike around here as is being recorded elsewhere.  However, I do see properties getting listed multiple times.  That suggests to me that the effect here in c&#039;ville is somewhat delayed.  The real peak in &#039;06-vintage option ARM resets comes later this year, and into next, so I would expect things to pick up more.  They are up now but not nearly as much as FL, CA, NV, NoVa...yet.   I would be interested in your take on REOs being marketed through RE agents.  That is a back-handed way of putting foreclosures into the MLS.  In fact, although there&#039;s a bit of lag time, I&#039;m encouraged banks are doing this - since most are bidding up to the note face value at the trustee&#039;s actions, which reflects artificially high bubble pricing.  The &quot;hit&quot; or loss is taken by the bank when they actually cut the prices later as the owner/seller - and that is reflected for comps in the MLS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim &#8211; nice information, as always.  One comment:</p>
<p>This captures what the volumes are like in each bracket, but doesn&#8217;t account for bracket mobility &#8211; that is, it would be nice to get a picture, for our MSA, of same-home sales (ala Case-Shiller).</p>
<p>The two &#8216;big buckets&#8217; you&#8217;ve got &#8211; 200-400k and &gt;400, seem&#8230;not meaningfully distinct in our market.  That is, I believe a histogram of all properties, with much smaller spacing (say, 10k increments) would show where the big clusters are &#8211; and clusters could be more reasonably grouped.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t, obviously, have the same access to the raw data you have, but I suspect that there&#8217;s much more of cluster of like properties in the 300-600k range, than below 300k or 750 and above.</p>
<p>Moreover, I would expect part of the picture to get lost here &#8211; as I wonder how many homes which sold in the 450k range two years ago would now sell for 350k (assuming the buyer isn&#8217;t underwater and can actually sell).  </p>
<p>Except for the top bracket, I&#8217;d guess your breakout has the effect of smoothing the data and reflecting the overall market numbers.  The three groupings which have some shape at all suggest this, with the notable artifacts for 1Q &#8216;06 &#8211; a plunge in cheaper properties and a spike in the more expensive ones &#8211; I think a same-house analysis would demonstrate this is caused by same house price inflation and later deflation.</p>
<p>NB &#8211; I&#8217;ve commented on the foreclosure situation, using my Trustee&#8217;s-Sales-from-the-newspaper and spreadsheet method.  I don&#8217;t see the same spike around here as is being recorded elsewhere.  However, I do see properties getting listed multiple times.  That suggests to me that the effect here in c&#8217;ville is somewhat delayed.  The real peak in &#8216;06-vintage option ARM resets comes later this year, and into next, so I would expect things to pick up more.  They are up now but not nearly as much as FL, CA, NV, NoVa&#8230;yet.   I would be interested in your take on REOs being marketed through RE agents.  That is a back-handed way of putting foreclosures into the MLS.  In fact, although there&#8217;s a bit of lag time, I&#8217;m encouraged banks are doing this &#8211; since most are bidding up to the note face value at the trustee&#8217;s actions, which reflects artificially high bubble pricing.  The &#8220;hit&#8221; or loss is taken by the bank when they actually cut the prices later as the owner/seller &#8211; and that is reflected for comps in the MLS.</p>
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