Yet another reason to dislike

In order to serve my clients, I have to pay significant amounts of money to have more than one picture on In order to publish my listing content on, which is supposed to be for the benefit of both Realtors and’s shareholders (both of whom have divergent and opposed interests) – I have to agree to Move’s Terms and Conditions, which include this nifty

The professional photographs which I commission, to which I own the copyright, I am forced to relinquish the rights to:

8. Proprietary Rights. As between the parties hereto, Move exclusively owns and retains all right, title and interest in and to the Product in perpetuity throughout the Universe. Notwithstanding anything to the contrary contained herein, and subject to Move’s receipt of payments specified in the Order, the Product is licensed (not sold) to You by Move. Move does not transfer title to the Product to You. This non-exclusive license only gives You the right to use and display the units of the Product that are licensed to You hereunder in accordance with the terms hereof. You hereby agree that to the maximum extent permitted by law, You will not decompile, reverse engineer, disassemble or otherwise reduce the Product to a human-perceivable form, in whole or in part, and, except as provided for in this license, You will not copy, modify, network, rent, lease, sublicense, or otherwise distribute the Product in whole or in part. All rights in and to the Product not expressly granted to You in this Agreement are reserved by Move.

Am I overreacting?

Update 09/18/2007: I changed the title from “hate” to “dislike.” Hate is too strong a word.

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  1. Michael Wurzer September 18, 2007 at 11:43

    Jim, do you have a link to the Terms of Use? I ask because I think the answer to your question depends on how “the Product” is defined. Based on the text you’ve quoted, I would think is referring to their software and not the content, but that would be answered by the definition of “the Product.”

  2. Jim Duncan September 18, 2007 at 11:48

    No link to the Terms of Use, but here is the definition –

    As used herein, “Products” shall refer to technology (for example, website, blog or property-information applications), online content, CDs, or similar products ordered on the Order.


    I am most irritated with “online content” which is created by Realtors. without the content, there would be no

  3. Michael Wurzer September 18, 2007 at 12:04

    Here’s a link
    . As you mention, when you upload photos, you grant Move and irrevocable license to use the photos however it wants.

  4. Jennifer September 18, 2007 at 14:56

    you are not overreacting AND you are so right to read those terms. My goodness that is unreasonable.

  5. Dustin September 18, 2007 at 18:20


    I’m NOT a lawyer and this definitely doesn’t represent any legal view by Move, Inc or… With that major caveat, it is my understanding that all REALTORS have a contract with that clearly references the ownership of photos that would supersede the Terms of Use you mention above. From what I’m told, the contract is much clearer in specifying that you, as a REALTOR, retain ownership of your uploaded content.

  6. Jim Duncan September 18, 2007 at 18:57

    Thanks for commenting, Dustin.

    It’s the “Universe” part that got me. That and the fact that the relationship is a Catch-22. Without content (listings) wouldn’t exist as it is. Without, (currently) I can’t serve my clients effectively.

    I guess I could look at it as a mutually-beneficial relationship, but for the ads draping “my” (broker’s) content. I’d love to see that superceding contract, though.

    But the “throughout the Universe” really rubbed me the wrong way, though.

  7. Dustin September 18, 2007 at 20:44

    Yeah… I agree that “universe” may not be broad enough. I’ll see if I can get the lawyers to expand the phrasing a bit to make sure we cover all of our potential users into the future! 😉

  8. Sock Puppet September 19, 2007 at 01:30

    I think is refering to itself rather than photos.

    The “Universe” line is LMAO funny though. Though I do understand is the constant target of denial of service attacks from hackers in the Delta Quadrant, so it may well be required.

  9. Jay Thompson September 19, 2007 at 20:07

    “Am I overreacting?”

    In a word, no.